And I didn't want to ask Andrea how her little encounter with you had been.

Once I was in a ‘bathroom’ with a girl, for a smoke. A girl that used to tell me again and again about she having sex in all kind of unusual places with all kind of kinky man. We were getting high and I stared at her for a while, smiling.
‘Let us get out of here’, she hastily said.

It takes a bit more than that to get raped. I'm sure you would've been perfectly capable to avoid getting ravished on the spot by the young lady.

Bernard

You weren't kinky enough?

@Mieke
I do not know. And I do not know what was going on in her mind. It looked to me as if got scared; I am familiar with such feelings.
(Is happened in a café somewhere in Brussels in the mid seventies).
I learned that girl is married now, with children.

@Mieke
Some correction
… It looked to me as if she got scared;…

logic

Arnon,
Why did you think that Andrea wanted to kiss you when she locked herself up?

Most of the time you get only promises, written promises, in the bathroom.
Once a read Bin 16
Wer will mich ?
I wrote above this text : Allerweltbild

Another exclaiming of happiness:

Meine Freundin hat die schönste Fotze

(I don't know if he made this discovery in the bathroom)

Awadel

Awadel

Andrea

Can you tell us your side of the story? Or don't you want to comment anylonger now you hava Arnon's phonenumber?

Juliane

There was a hint of irony in my use of the word "rape".
By the way I hate to be unkind. Emotional pressure isn't rape yet, but emotional pressure in a tiny bathroom can be unpleasant.
Needless to say: none of this happened, Andrea insisted that she was just locked up, although I could open the door easily.
Anyhow, it's a nice trick to invite men to the bathroom. You need to have their mobile number and you need to be gutsy.
Perhaps you should try it once.

N.N. Awadel

My dear commenter Juliane likes to be called "Fotze" by her good friends.
My recollection might not be accurate but as far as I remember she invited my dear commenter Oscar Wilde and me to her dorm in Germany to become members of the so-called "Fotze-circle".
Since that day I have been praying that the Fotze-circle is not a gothic club. Gothic is not my style.

Arnon

I totally missed that hint. Perhaps, because of the serious sounding introduction "Listen,".

I can reassure you, that the "Fotze-circle" isn't a Gothic club. I've been a Goth for some time (not a fetish one), though, and still have some velvet and black lace in my wardrobe.
Why isn't Gothic up your alley?

Andrea tried to seduce Arnon. She will not admit it because the story went in another direction. It's not a shame, it's daily life.

Juliane

Perhaps it's just lack of knowledge. What does a "goth" do exactly?

Well, there are different kinds of goths and more and more sub-subcultures pop up over time (Electro, Punk-Goth, Gothic Lolita, Fetish., Gothabilly..). So I can just tell you, what I did and was.

I saw myself as a "classic" goth, or a new romantic. This specimen sits at home, in a forest, at a lake, on the beach (during cold and/or rainy weather), reads a lot and writes reeaaally bad poetry and/or prose (usual motives are: bloodred or black roses, rain, tears, frozen hearts, premature death/suicide). When it comes to literature, a goth reads poetry, of course (here I can speak only for German goths) for example Rilke, Hölderlin, Hesse or Fried. Goethe (also his prose, e.g. Die Leiden des jungen Werther) is also very popular. Furthermore vampire and horror stories of all kinds (Lovecraft, Anne Rice).

A goth wears (surprise, surprise) black garments. Claret, dark green, dark blue and dark purple are also acceptable colours. Materials are mostly velvet and lace in Victorian, Rococo, Baroque or Renaissance styles. Besides, wearing loads of silver jewellery is of the utmost importance (pagan symbols are often to be found dangling from a classic goth's ears and neck). The rule of thumb here is: if it doesn't pull you to the floor, you don't wear enough. The classic goth apears as a kind of walking vanitas, painting their face white (corpse paint) and having an inclination towards the morbid, e.g. coffins, hulks, spiders, bats, vampires.

Music is of the essence! I, myself, listen(ed) to bands like The Cure, Type O Negative or London After Midnight. Other typical gothic bands are Siouxie and the Banshees, The Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, Crematory, ASP, Unheilig, Welle: Erdball, The Crüxshadows, Within Temptation or Nightwish.

According to the cliché a goth isn't happy, since the world is so dreadfully cruel. They don't laugh or smile and if they do, they do it in the privacy of their own home. Furthermore a goth likes certain smells, e.g. incense sticks and, of course, patchouli. I still own a box full of incense.

If you look for a goth: go to the next cemetery.

I don't know if all this is still the case, so: Lesen/Glauben/Weitersagen auf eigene Gefahr.

pfui teufel!
fotze ist eines der haesslichsten deutschen woerter die es gibt

goths

goths mainly get dressed.. like the kings of yore.. clothes making the man .. or girl.. 'la carmina' my facebook friend apparently tours the world selling vestment to lolitas.. her educatiion is so good i must assume there's merit in the enterprise.. also tamsin omond is my friend.. if you have not before, mr. grunberg, i would recommend a glimpse of tamsin omond.. she's sorta gothic to my eye.. i'm of the ancient order of goths that mostly sits in ruins with ghosts

I like goth’s: their clothes, the music, the books. Maybe I am a smiling goth in urban camouflage.

Juliane

What is the dress code for the Fotze-circle?
Also, what is your favorite Type O Negative song?

Coen van Dam

Do you believe every word Arnon tells?
Every word is an interpretation of reality, there is always a distance between the words and what it describes. Arnon loves to play with this. So what he is telling is not necessarily what happened. Small differences, little lies, that's Arnon's game. They form his shield against the world. He would feel very vulnerable without them.

Andrea

Next time treat him like a not so intelligent, little boy. He certainly sometimes behaves like one. You'll get a reaction, for sure.

Mieke

You grandiose statements about my character, my work, my preferences, my habits yadda yadda yadda are a clear sign that you really need a break.
I know you are jealous of Andrea. For God's sake I mud wrestled with you, I pressed my body against your body with all the force I had. Try to live on that memory and stop acting as a frustrated octogenarian.
You are a talented woman in perfect shape with a fairly gorgeous body; stop being obsessed with me and allow me the small pleasures life is offering me.

Juliane

I like Joy Divion, Rilke, Hölderlin and Hess. Well, I’m not so sure abut Hölderlin. And when I was eighteen I was completely into Fried, you mean Erich Fried I assume. I loved both his love and political poems. Is he still popular?
There is a beautiful book that contains a conversation between Heiner Müller and Erich Friend. Worth reading. But alas remaindered of course.

Quin

Where can I find Tamsin Omond?

On Goths

Nail polish is often worn as well.

Thank God, finally I did get you pissed.

Since you didn't know anything more interesting to write about today, you decided to write about this.

She compromised your dignity and you write this out of revenge.

But then again, it has never been nobleness that you wanted to be admired for.

Keep up the good work.

Mieke

If I tell you I bought a piece of bread yesterday would you doubt my words?

Coen

Yours? No, I wouldn't doubt them.

Oh, not a bit of lie there. but ones intentions are not visible, are they?

though it was not in my mind before, i believe i will use this trick in the future.

I need at least 5 minutes to fell the need to drag someone to toilete someone .

by the way, go to the ladies room sometimes, its exciting.

mieke

if you want, i can comment here every day, if it gives you pleasure...

Lumacha
Years ago I was masturbating, lying on the floor of the bathroom. I saw 'La belle dame sans merci' sitting on the sedile di marmo. She was saying 'come on, bambino, non hai altro che questo? Via, show me the force of your loins.
When I had my body emptied of semen i felt being a snail that left his shell, a snail that found himself at the street, ready to be stained.

n.N. awadel

are you a man or a woman?

Oscar Wilde

There is no dress code.

I can't decide on only one favourite song but among all their albums I like "October Rust" best. Do you have a favourite Type O song?

Andrea

I believe you when you say it wasn't in your intention. That's Arnon's interpretation.
If you want to know what drives me:Just curiosity.

Arnon

Strange, but I feel a perverse pleasure in making you angry. Nevertheless I'm happy to inform you that I subscribed myself on a datingsite( two days ago). Maybe it will help me in conquering in what you call an obsession( my curiosity). Though I have to say that the amount of response to my little add on the datingsite leaves me a little bewildered. Maybe I will need a break from that one too; Indulge me.

Coen van Dam

Being no woman, I can say that I am the opposite .

Juliane

My favorite Type O Negative song is "Prelude to Agony" from the album "Slow, Deep and Hard".

Mieke

I tought you already have a relationship.

n.N. awadel

Oh, that makes your story less hot.

I like the last sentence 'Then I had to go to the book fair for a discussion about Europe and identity'

Coen van Dam

Lumacha is rather a cold story, I would say, the tile’s of a bathroom paviment, the snail having the road as bed, it’s all cold. Also the encouragement of the speaking lady isn’t very hot, her name is not with mercy .

n.N. awadel

Sounds interesting !
Maybe we can continue with a few people to conversate on this (mozzarella) part of Arnon's blog.
We keep it secret and sometimes we invite new people.
Maybe we can invite Sander Voerman because he might be the first one who will discover our continuation on "our" secret inside blog.
Who wants to become a member?

Come on don't be shy.
Everything we are going to write here is already forgotten.

Masturbos

In my college years, I once wrote a kind of short mythological story about some Greek God, Masturbos and I added an enquiry with it: 1. Are you male or female? 2.Do you masturbate?
All the boys answered ‘yes’ to the second question; one boy dared not to fill in the form.
All the girls, except one, said ‘no’ to the crucial second question. We, schoolmates could guess who that exceptional girl was.
She became the risée of the class for the rest of the year.

Good story Bernard !
Welcome to the past-side of this blog. Let's keep it alive.
Greetz

Masturbos sounds like the masterboss of all Gods.
Let's pretend Masturbos is a woman.

Coen van Dam

A blind- date- community of people that like to react on blogs.
Don't you think that doing so we will be a parasite on the blog-body of Mr. Grunberg? If you think so, let’s be that parasite.
Or do we better forget things we are going to write before we post them ?

@n.N.awadel
We are parasites. Good parasites though, who let our host life forever.

correction: … live forever.

@Coen van Dam
Yeah!

Bernard

If our host will live forever, he must be immortal, and we mere mortals, shall take our leave, before his time. What if he our host desires to be killed, slowly killed, by his parasites? If we want to kill him, with love, of course, he will feel alive. Isn’t that a noble goal for us, parasitos ?

Essential

Let's not forget that our host loves a little perversity now and then. So let the killing be very slow.
What kind of weapon should we think of?

n.N. awadel and Mieke

Welcome to the mozzarella-club.
If we can keep the past alive on this blog time almost doesn't exist anymore.
Let's just meet each other here in this cosy corner somewhere in the back of Arnon's virtual castle.
We are not parasites we are like friendly ghosts. We make sounds and nobody knows where these sounds come from because these sounds come from the past. Only we know.
You might invite a good friend to join us.
Just ask: "Do you want to become a friendly ghost of the mozzarella-club?"

A song for our host, or for us, or for everybody. Parasites of many kinds and colors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKoa3OJsDNY&feature=related

Someone asked me "Do you want to become a friendly ghost of the mozzarella-club?"

Violetta the Strange

Aha a new member!!!
Welcome!
Tell a short story about yourself friendly ghost.

Mieke

We are the weapons. Our existence, as passengers in the blog-boat, will drag the boat to the bottom. Is that an idea to your liking?
By the way, do you know if there are any pseudonyms or heteronymes of Mr. Grunberg hiding in the reactions on his blog ?

Awadel

Pleasing yes. I'll train myself in the use of ridicule. Arnon already asked that in the past.
I don't know of any heteronymes, but if he would do so, I would expect him to come as a woman and for example use the name of Violetta the Strange.

n.N. awadel

Maybe you are a pseudonym of Mr. Grunberg ; )

Mieke

Violetta the strange?
I don't think that's Arnon.

Coen

http://www.myspace.com/violettatataa
She looks like a real gothic.

Strange, this url doesn't work, but you can find it back if you google violetta le strange.

Good job, Mieke ; )

@ Coen

Ever read Werther Nieland by G.K. van het Reve?

jeanette p.

No. why?

jeanette p.

By the way...
Welcome ! Are you a friendly ghost?

@ Coen

1. Why not rephrase your question after you reading Werther N,?

@ Coen

2.

Mentally I died in august 1997 and again in august 2004, so a ghost I am.
If I'm friendly, well, I can't speak for myself......find out yourself.....

@ Arnon

How nice to read you like Joy Division (if you really do). Ever saw or commented on the movie Control by Corbijn?

If you would ever feel to dress up like the Gothic you might have inside you, contact me. My Gothic Neighbor's daughter's designes and makes Gothic Clothes Tailormade. And she really understands the trade....

Jeanette

"Soulless and bent on destruction
Struggle between right and wrong"
- Heart and Soul-

"Love will tear us apart"

Joy Division

Did you know they named their group after the alleged barracks in concentration camps where females were abused?

Coen

A pseudonym I am, not Mr. Grunberg's though.

n.N. awadel

Thank you for being so honest to me : )

Mieke

About the naming I knew.
Wanted to reread 'Touching from a Distance' by Curtis' widow to see what she mentions about choosing that name, but can't find the book at the moment.
Do you happen to remember why that name was picked?

By the way, the lyrics of 'No love lost' reffer to it too:
"no life at all in the house of dolls".

Jeanette

I don't know the why, but you are right , it came out of "The book of dolls" by Ktzetnik135633.

the friendly ghosts of the mozzarella-club is geen lang leven beschoren.

One could consider life to be a prolonged death agony, that's if you talk about people. Ghosts never die, they rest.

Mieke

You just woke me up. Thank you!

Yes thank you.
And have you ever considered life to be death?
Maybe we are all dead already.

Dear Violetta the Strange,

Or maybe we are "somebody's dream"!
(uche, uche)
You joker!!!

yours,

Eric

as long as we keep the mozzarella-club alive....
This is not a dream !!!

Actually Eric,that could well be!
Maybe we are just creations of Arnon's dreams,creations of his mind.
Humans just don't know everything about life's mysteries,
everything is possible..everything you know.

maybe we are a dream of a character from one of Arnons books.

Dear Violetta the Strange,

Although I know very little about life, let alone about it's mysteries, I'm pretty sure that I'm not a creation of blogger A.G.'s dream.
Not everything is possible.
Would you *like* to be somebody's dream?

yours,

Eric W.

Dear Eric,

I think what Violetta and I want to know is why you are so sure that you are not a creation of blogger A. G.'s dream.

Dear Coen & Violetta,

because I decide when and what I write on this blog.......
Would you like to be a creation of blogger A.G. dream?

my very best wishes,

Eric

Dear Eric

Even your decision to write on this blog is a creation of Arnons dreams.
We don't want to be a creation of Arnon's dream but if we are we don't mind.
Maybe when I wake up from someone elses dream I happen to be Eric W.

Dearest Coen,

just dream on.......

yours,

Eric W.

@ Mieke about Joy Division

Finally I found my book back.
Curtis' widow describes the picking of the name as follows:

"The release of the EP in January marked the change of name from Warsaw to Joy Division after the disappointing news that there was already a London-based band called Warsaw Pakt. The essential ingredient for any band at that time was to have a supposedly shocking name. Names such as Slaughter and the Dogs and Ed Banger and the Noosebleeds were guaranteed to conjure up the image of a group who just might resemble the Sex Pistols.
[...]
Ian told me that Joy Division was what the Nazis called female prisoners kept alive to be used as prostitutes for the German Army. I cringed. It was gruesome and tasteless and I hoped that the majority of people would not know what it meant. I wondered if the members of the band were intending to glorify the degradation of women."

jeanette

okay. i will read werther nieland.

Coen

Allright Coen, hope you'll enjoy it.
You suggest a book to me when after you've finished it
and told me about your findings.

(And please don't wake up as another Eric W.
One is 'hard enough to handle'....)

jeanette

deal !

-Jeanette
*Pablo
-He's just a kid, don't mess with him
*I won't
-You see how easy going he is
*I do
-a weathercock
*Pablo!!
-with red cheeks
*Pablo, go away!!!
-just a Southern kid with.....
*Now you hush, you no good man....shall I sing?
-ok, ok..... don't you be so agitated
*
-Goodnight J.
*
-kiss?
*

You see what I mean Coen?
I give an eyewink to Eric from a presumably secluded spot on this blog
and before I know it Pablo is breathing in my neck
calling *me* agitated ….
Puh …
me …
I’m as calm as a sea after its sixth wave …
at peace like Buddha meditating in a Chinese garden ...
untouched like everything that is staying in the eye of a tropical thunderstorm ...
very calm indeed ...
couldn't be calmer
calmest of the calmest
really

How are you and 89-paged Werther doing?
Found out if I’m friendly yet?

jeanette

not yet started.
good that you reminded me again.
maybe today i get the book.
later

*Jeanette
-Pablo
*You see what I mean!
-I see.......

does eric know he woke up as pablo?

Dear Coen,

what are you talking about?
I never woke up as Pablo in my whole life.
Or are you suggesting now that I'm not blogger A.G. dream, but Pablo's?
Or are you Pablo?

Eric

what is wrong with being Eric w ?

@ Coen

somehow the last days you strike me as being a creation of Eric...

Dear Coen,

You ask 'what is wrong with being Eric w?', to nobody particular, but since the sentence contains my name I answer it:

nothing.
I like being me.
I don't want to be Pablo, nor you.
I'm me.
Every DNA in me bares the inscription EW.

Now will you have the decency to answer my questions.....

yours,

Eric