2009/12/18 New York, NY
Winnable
Bet
Last night I had dinner with an acquaintance in Chicago.
She told me that a year ago she bet that the Dow would be at 14000 in 2012. (The Dow closed today at 10308.26)
I thought that the bet was winnable, but my acquaintance offered the bet for sale.
I didn’t buy it, so apparently my belief that the bet was winnable was not strong enough.
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Arnon
What were the odds? How much money was involved? I think you are right that you dont take these things in consideration and just look at the things that you dicribed in the text, but for a gambler this could still be a golden opportunity (especially when you are good at what the woman tried to do to you, which is very Ponzi / Madoff alike, but it takes a gambler)Arnon, what do you make of those Forbidden Letters? And was your Messiah deliberately given a solar wound (testicle) and thereby made 'alchemical'?
http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters1.htm
http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters1.htm
Careca
I'm not sure what you mean with "the odds" in this case. But FYI it was a thousand dollar bet, I assume that I could have bought the bet for a few hundred dollars.Gideon
To me that stuff reads as gibberish...gibberish
[Solorion at http://theparty.netraver.org.za/Magic.html ] :"(...)
[FIFTH Forbidden Letter]
(...)
Phenomena in sub-atomic physics such as Bell's Theorem (everything that was once connected will stay connected for ever) and the Einstein Podolsky Rosen non-locality differences have led to significant rethinking of the relationship between consciousness and reality (the world is my projection (our remark)). Such thinking forms the basis for modern conceptions of magic and paranormal (psi) phenomena, in that the human mind may have a significant, but non- physical effect on material reality. Or, as Wang and Bedford put it (1985): "one of the non-mechanical aspects of causation may be will and intention."
But back to 'making peace in one house'. What is meant here?
Jesus says: do not go the broad and easy way to death. Go instead the dark, narrow and dangerous way. (Mind you, this is not very precisely put. People are invited to the Grail. You cannot invite yourself. If you are invited you will go that road, if not, you never will.)
But again, what does he mean?
(...)"
...Such thinking...significant rethinking...a significant, but non- physical effect...
OK, couple these very significant thoughts with Arnon Grunberg's significant novel 'The Jewish Messiah' (mind you, it's the word 'messiah' that's very significant here as well!) - and you will surely get a total rethinking that cannot be but very significant.
I'm afraid these yahoos so in love with this gibberish will be forever with us.
Arnon
What does "buying the bet" mean exactly?Let us say you buy the bet for $250. If you lose, you're down $1000 + $250? If you win you're up $1000 - $250?
It's interesting that Arnon reacts on just about every remark here in Blogs, but not on the Forbidden Letters. Wonder why that is...
@ Theo
I guess you have got to be in the mood to be able to listen to, or read a lot of BS.And then, what exactly is there to comment on?
Starting to explain in considerable detail that
"... the Einstein Podolsky Rosen non-locality differences have led to significant rethinking of the relationship between consciousness and reality" would not make any sense WHATSOEVER to even the best physicists in this world?
Even Mr Grunberg - no theoretical physicist - might try to point to this simple fact, like I am doing right now.
What's the use?
It's like talking to astrologers who (some sincerely!) believe they know something astronomers don't.
Take the whole site where you can find these 'Forbidden Letters' (this usage of words alone should tell you enough already)!
They call 'fractals' 'science mysteries' !!
I happen to love this gibberish now and then, like I love to look at con-artists, 'spiritual healers' in action, etc. etc.
They haven't got the slightest clue what a fractal really is.
Alchemy is considered a 'higher', more telling, more revealing, 'deeper' way of thinking than ordinary chemistry for instance.
It must be something in their genes, that's about it.
As I mentioned earlier, they - these alchemists - are here to stay for ever, just like our age-old astrologers.
Carlos
Yes, that’s (more or less) how it works.To be honest I bought the bet, and here’s an offer you cannot refuse. You can buy the bet for $350 i.e. you pay me now $350.
If you lose you lose only $350, but if you win I’ll pay you $1000.
I say the Dow will be at 14000 on January 1 2012, you say it won’t.
This offer is only for you Carlos, because I happen to like you.
Bet
Prospect theory would predict most people would forgo this opportunity, even if they are optimistic about the economy. We are only risk seeking when avoiding losses, we are risk averse when pursuing gains. The fact that you bought the bet shows, perhaps somewhat redundantly, that you enjoy risk more than most people.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_theory
Carlos
We are on some interesting way from 'Beat the Dealer' to the film 'The Grifters'.Key phrase was 'To be honest....'
@ Bert ('This usage of the words Forbidden Letters alone.' )
If you would just do your reading:
"We've been with the Forbidden Letters story from the start, because we were at the Forum of Gardiner when the first Letter was posted by him. He banned the Letters after 48 hours because he got emails with dirty language by the Paris 4 that was in reality composed by a hacker (see the PS). The Paris 4 immediately responded by opening a forum of their own on which they told their side of the story, and there they named the Letters the Forbidden Letters, because of the ban by Gardiner. A ban they didn't understand, because Gardiner hadn't emailed them about his decision."
Bert, math is a lot of nonsense for a 6 year old, just like alchemy is for you. Now, it is clear that you don't even want to give things a chance here. Fine, but then you would do us all a great favor not reacting. I mean, if the solar wound was good enough for Eliade or Jung, then it's good enough for you too ('what is there to comment?')
As said before. 'it was ever a sign of stupidity etc...'[Jung]
By the way, here is some more of that 'BS' for you to ponder:
"But even in life, because, according to Alchemy, we are already 'engendered in corruption,'[Dorn] our '(bodily) substance pursues us with hatred.'[Dorn]
To transmute this substance, its two parts, Sol and Luna, King and Queen have to be wed. Jung assumed that this marriage was a 'synthetic process in the psyche 'outside' the ego.'[Jung, MC, pars 410] This realm outside the ego is already discussed by Maud Perkins in section 12 of http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_25.htm. But what exactly did Jung mean by that realm 'outside the ego'? He was referring there to 'the microcosmic space of the psyche,'[pars 410] that space possibly being 'a whole world in itself, a macrocosm.'[pars 412] Yet, 'the fact that one can get into this territory (...) does not mean that it belongs to me personally. The ego is Here and Now, but the 'outside-of-the-ego' is an alien There. Both earlier and later, before and after. So it is not surprising that the primitive mind sensed the psyche outside the ego as an alien country, inhabited by the spirits of the dead. On a rather higher level it takes on the character of a shadowy semi-reality, and on the level of the ancient cultures, the shadows of that 'land beyond' have turned into ideas. In Gnostic-Christian circles these (ideas) were developed into a dogmatic, hierarchically arranged, cosmogonic and chiliastic system which appears to us moderns as an involuntary, symbolic statement of the psyche concerning the structure of the psychic non-ego. This region, if still seen as a spectral 'land beyond', appears to be a whole world in itself, a macrocosm. If, on the other hand, it is felt as 'psychic' and 'inside', it seems like a microcosm of the smallest proportions.[Jung, MC, pars 411 et 412]
'Whoever wished to commit this (alchemical/Cambronne) act (...), would therefore have to get outside himself, as if into an external glasshouse, a round cucurbita which represented the microcosmic space of the psyche.' [Jung, MC, pars 410] In the words of the Paris 4 from one of their 'ridiculous Letters' [Knight-Jadczyk]:
'If an alchemist travels through the earth, he's doing that in the microcosmos of the body. Remember what we said: the real sun and moon (and earth) are in you. Not outside. And this explains why our friend could still hear common street noise outside his apartment when he traveled to the centre of the earth over 19 years ago with tremendous speed.' [The Paris 4]"
If you would just do your reading:
"We've been with the Forbidden Letters story from the start, because we were at the Forum of Gardiner when the first Letter was posted by him. He banned the Letters after 48 hours because he got emails with dirty language by the Paris 4 that was in reality composed by a hacker (see the PS). The Paris 4 immediately responded by opening a forum of their own on which they told their side of the story, and there they named the Letters the Forbidden Letters, because of the ban by Gardiner. A ban they didn't understand, because Gardiner hadn't emailed them about his decision."
Bert, math is a lot of nonsense for a 6 year old, just like alchemy is for you. Now, it is clear that you don't even want to give things a chance here. Fine, but then you would do us all a great favor not reacting. I mean, if the solar wound was good enough for Eliade or Jung, then it's good enough for you too ('what is there to comment?')
As said before. 'it was ever a sign of stupidity etc...'[Jung]
By the way, here is some more of that 'BS' for you to ponder:
"But even in life, because, according to Alchemy, we are already 'engendered in corruption,'[Dorn] our '(bodily) substance pursues us with hatred.'[Dorn]
To transmute this substance, its two parts, Sol and Luna, King and Queen have to be wed. Jung assumed that this marriage was a 'synthetic process in the psyche 'outside' the ego.'[Jung, MC, pars 410] This realm outside the ego is already discussed by Maud Perkins in section 12 of http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_25.htm. But what exactly did Jung mean by that realm 'outside the ego'? He was referring there to 'the microcosmic space of the psyche,'[pars 410] that space possibly being 'a whole world in itself, a macrocosm.'[pars 412] Yet, 'the fact that one can get into this territory (...) does not mean that it belongs to me personally. The ego is Here and Now, but the 'outside-of-the-ego' is an alien There. Both earlier and later, before and after. So it is not surprising that the primitive mind sensed the psyche outside the ego as an alien country, inhabited by the spirits of the dead. On a rather higher level it takes on the character of a shadowy semi-reality, and on the level of the ancient cultures, the shadows of that 'land beyond' have turned into ideas. In Gnostic-Christian circles these (ideas) were developed into a dogmatic, hierarchically arranged, cosmogonic and chiliastic system which appears to us moderns as an involuntary, symbolic statement of the psyche concerning the structure of the psychic non-ego. This region, if still seen as a spectral 'land beyond', appears to be a whole world in itself, a macrocosm. If, on the other hand, it is felt as 'psychic' and 'inside', it seems like a microcosm of the smallest proportions.[Jung, MC, pars 411 et 412]
'Whoever wished to commit this (alchemical/Cambronne) act (...), would therefore have to get outside himself, as if into an external glasshouse, a round cucurbita which represented the microcosmic space of the psyche.' [Jung, MC, pars 410] In the words of the Paris 4 from one of their 'ridiculous Letters' [Knight-Jadczyk]:
'If an alchemist travels through the earth, he's doing that in the microcosmos of the body. Remember what we said: the real sun and moon (and earth) are in you. Not outside. And this explains why our friend could still hear common street noise outside his apartment when he traveled to the centre of the earth over 19 years ago with tremendous speed.' [The Paris 4]"
And more still:
'That cells emitted light was first suggested in 1938 by the Russian biologist Alexander Gurwitsj. 'Every living system emits, absorbs, and stores light, (...) and every living cell emits at least 100.000 light particles per second.'[Boswinkel] Untill today though 'nobody knows how biophotons are being produced. A thing that seems certain is that they are messengers or bosons. They carry information.'[Boswinkel]'[Richard Morley at http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_24.htm ]
'The "refracted rays of the Divine in the world and in created things (Caussin)" correspond to the "certain luminosity" which the alchemists said was inherent in the natural world.'[Jung, MC, par. 344/emphasis added]
'David Bohm [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm ] said that matter is a kind of condensed or "frozen" light.'[Briggs & Peat, 1984:264]
'The changing of bodies into light, and light into bodies, is very comformable to the course of Nature, which seems delighted with such transmutations.'[Isaac Newton]
From http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_48.htm
'That cells emitted light was first suggested in 1938 by the Russian biologist Alexander Gurwitsj. 'Every living system emits, absorbs, and stores light, (...) and every living cell emits at least 100.000 light particles per second.'[Boswinkel] Untill today though 'nobody knows how biophotons are being produced. A thing that seems certain is that they are messengers or bosons. They carry information.'[Boswinkel]'[Richard Morley at http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_24.htm ]
'The "refracted rays of the Divine in the world and in created things (Caussin)" correspond to the "certain luminosity" which the alchemists said was inherent in the natural world.'[Jung, MC, par. 344/emphasis added]
'David Bohm [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm ] said that matter is a kind of condensed or "frozen" light.'[Briggs & Peat, 1984:264]
'The changing of bodies into light, and light into bodies, is very comformable to the course of Nature, which seems delighted with such transmutations.'[Isaac Newton]
From http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_48.htm
Rene
What is your point?h an
His point was:You can pour ANYTHING into my 'open mind', I'll believe it and what's more: I'll consider it the ultimate 'mysterious' TRUTH.
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