2010/11/16 New York
Riddle
Narcissistic
Tim Mohr, a former DJ and a translator, reviewed “The Box”, a novel by Günter Grass, which I haven’t read yet, in the Times Book Review.
Mr. Mohr writes: ‘All of which shows a remarkable willingness to kick a hole in the usual self-importance of a prize-winning author. Just compare “The Box” with “Summertime,” another recent fictionalized gaze in the mirror from a Nobel laureate, J. M. Coetzee. The Coetzee of “Summertime” has already died, making the entire book self-eulogy; Coetzee is in essence publicly fantasizing about what people will say of him after he dies, which seems narcissistic regardless of how unflattering the portrait drawn. The riddle for Grass, on the contrary, is what his kids think of a living, breathing man, one who is present — if only with a fictional microphone. Coetzee’s book seems a plea for immortality, Grass’s an acknowledgment of mortality. In “The Box,” Grass recognizes a fundamental reality: he is but one member of a family whose decisions have affected the rest, and often not for the better. End of story.’
I’m not at all sure if Mr. Coetzee’s novel “Summertime”, which I have read, is a plea for immortality. And I wonder whether Coetzee’s undertaking is more narcissistic than Grass’s.
We use the word “narcissistic” lightly nowadays.
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Funny. I just wrote a piece about empathy. Narcissism is sometimes described as a lack of empathy. Mankind would not be mankind if she did not try to measure and give scores to something. The American psychologist Daniel Goleman wrote a book about EQ (Emotional Intelligence) and how to measure it. Feelings with a score!
Maybe we should let Grass and Coetzee make this test to find the answer of this riddle. At least we would have a scientific answer. To find a real answer we will have to walk to a lake and stare a while in the water.
For what it’s worth: I do think that, often, this desire many writers have to expose their personal weaknesses is a kind of “negative” way of eliciting love. Like Houellebecq said in a recent interview: I want to be loved for what I am. Like a dog I apport my filth and weaknesses to the feet of the public, and ask them to love me for what I am. Well something along those lines.
i don't know if that's what is meant by "Narcissism".
he has written : 'seems a plea for immortality' not ' is a plea for immortality ' . Who knows, you might meet this guy soon and have a chance to talk about it.
Tim Mohr seems to call them narcissistic? And he has not even read my astonishing autobiographical chit yet!
Narcissistic
"Man is the measure of all things." Protagoras
No, I am the measure of all things.
Mieke
You don't belong to mankind, do you?
By the by, another word used lightly of almost anyone is 'ego-tripper'.
I guess we might as well all be called narcissistic ego-trippers.
Narcissus
It was a beautiful bending boy falling into the water and never got out. Certainly the notion is misused since. Who can grasp the necessity of self love? No wonder that misuse is around the corner.
@ Bert
Don't insult me. I'm a WOMAN.
The Ancient Greek aphorism "Know thyself", Greek: γνθι σεαυτόν gnōthi seauton (also ... σαυτόν ... sauton with the ε contracted), was inscribed in the pronaos (forecourt) of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi .
Only then you can understand the other.
So let's cheer for narcissism. (to a certain extend)
To be is to do - Aristotle
To do is to be - Plato
Too bee do bee do - Sinatra
That quote by Houellebecq is marvelous. Thanks, Dries.
Mieke
Why would I ever want to insult you?
I'm afraid you misunderstood:
'Mankind' includes women; 'man' has two (2) distinct meanings: the 'species' Homo sapiens and the 'male' of that species.
'Man is the measure of all things', yes, because taking mice as the measure of all things would be even impossible for us to do.
So please don't say:
'No he isn't, I am.' That's a denial without any meaning, misinterpreting Protagoras.
That's what I meant.
Or we are talking at cross-purposes here (to a certain extenT).
Bernard
Not them. Him i.e. Coetzee.
Mieke
PS - afterthought:
"Mankind, yes, but are women kind?" (HBC)
Anyone here who knows where in his works?
@Arnon
I stand corrected.
Bert Hesper
For centuries every system, philosophy, etc. man invented , woman weren't included. F.E. even Buddha cursed the woman who asked if she could become enlightened too.
Therefore I question every manmade statement that I encounter .
@Mieke
You are right. “Look around you and you will see: you are at the centre of the universe.”
(a quote by Bernard, the concentric systemizer)