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A good friend drew my attention to this article by Colm Tóibín on the Mann family.
I never realized that Thomas Mann was that open – in his diaries at least – about his (sexual) feelings for his son Klaus: “In his diaries Thomas Mann made clear his own sexual interest in Klaus: ‘Am enraptured with Eissi,’ he wrote in 1920, when Klaus was 14 (Eissi was his nickname), ‘terribly handsome in his swimming trunks. Find it quite natural that I should fall in love with my son . . . It seems I am once and for all done with women? . . . Eissi was lying tanned and shirtless on his bed, reading; I was disconcerted.’ Later that year he ‘came upon Eissi totally nude and up to some nonsense by Golo’s bed’ and was ‘deeply struck by his radiant adolescent body; overwhelming’. He used some of this same language to describe Jacob’s interest in the young Joseph in Joseph and His Brothers, and in the novella Disorder and Early Sorrow, written when Elisabeth was seven, the relationship between the bookish father and his young daughter, clearly based on Mann’s relationship with Elisabeth, is heated and fervid enough to make any reader marvel at what a wonderfully daring imagination the old magician was in possession of.”

I disagree with Tóibín’s judgment on Klaus Mann’s novel “Mephisto”. But the article is worth reading. “Some things ran in the family,” Toíbín writes in the second paragraph. Some things ran in the family indeed.


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So you see.
hesse and Mann
I really liked the correspondence between Herman Hesse and Thomas Mann.
Both had a preoccupation with young sailors in uniform.

By the way, for those who knew him, Willem, bartender of the Blincker in Amsterdam passed away tuesday.
No way Pim - that's really sad! What of? I liked to hang around there and chat with Willem, he was awlays interested in everyone and everything. I made short films at the time, he watched and said they were fantastic (they weren't), even viewed them there. Poor guests.
willem hesse and Mann
Hi Noa,

innitially he concurred lung cancer a year ago, however it came back.
He was in good spirits and funny until the end though,.

You might remember a small group of young mountaineers getting very drunk and always talking about books in the Blincker. I was one of them and looking back Willem was a great influence, for thinking and drinking!

Pim
@Pim, makes sense - I haven't been around for a year or two. You were one of those mountaineers? Then you'll know my sister (a natural platinum blonde Gwyneth Paltrow look alike, I'd rather not post her name here as her privacy is not mine to give). She worked there.
@Noa,
I Do remember your sister and het smile. If you're in Amsterdm, there is a farewell as from 16.00 in the Blincker next Sunday. see there site.
If you see a pair of identical blond twins in their 30-ies I'm one of the two
Pim
I wonder if Toibin read a bad translation of Mephisto. I find his opinion a little strange. Toibin apparently doesn't speak German and a bad translation can kill a book. I've only read Mephisto in German, so I have no idea if the translations are any good.
Arnon
What runs in your family?
Mieke
Brave men run in my family.
Oscar
Good for you. Are you one of them?
I am enraptured by the beauty of my two nieces, Shoera an Alena. One is forteen , the other one fifteen. They are two gorgious and intelligent creatures. When they are together the house is filled with there giggling and laughter.
Mieke
Yes. I ran into the setting sun.
There are many forms of sexual interest by parents, or elderly, towards children (and vice versa): from a kind tickling game to plain rape. There are also many excuses to rape a child: rape out of lust, rape as a punishment or rape to deliberately mutilate someone’s emotional life.
Thomas sexual interest in Klaus seems rather moderate to me (but I only read one book of Klaus, alas).
Dear all,
There is a wonderful serie on 'Die Manns'. It's available on DVD, see: http://www.filmbesprechungen.de/php/ausgabe.php4?FilmID=76
It's a mixture of dramatised documentary and interviews with some of the Mann children. The director is Heinrich Breloer.
In this movie Thomas Mann's intrest for young boys is a topic. I can't remember if the love for his son Klaus was mentioned.
It's beautiful.
What a family!
What a talent!
And Thomas: what a writer!

Love,
Eric
P.S.
I sudenly remember:
the film-music of Hans-Peter Ströer is terrible.
Tadzio
While reading I thought of the figure of Tadzio from Der Tod in Venedig, so it doesn't really surprise me.
hello ;D