Why are they undressed?

Interesting credits indeed.
(That picture awakens old memories: my cousin and me – although with clothes - trying out some hardware: M1, AK 47 and M16 … but he is a captain in the Navy now.)

Disappointed

Were you disappointed in yourself because you liked some mafia characters and you dislike the fact that you enjoy bad people, or was it just the film in global who was below your expectations?

Veerle

What evidence have you found in this entry to support you claim that I’m disappointed in myself because I like “bad people”?
What evidence have you found in this entry that I like “bad people”?
Do you believe that feeling sympathy for “bad people” is reason enough to be ashamed of yourself?
When exactly deserve people the label bad or good for that matter?

The good, the bad and the ugly

You wrote 'that you were disappointed' -without specifying- , then you wrote 'mafia is bad 'and then you used the word 'but' before the sentence 'there were characters I liked', in my opninion you're meaning to say 'despite they were bad I liked them'

I understood that almost all characters are linked to the mafia, you called the mafia bad and you said you liked some characters, so in my logica this means that you liked bad people, as characters in this movie, in real life I surely can't know.

Neither do I think I can label people as good - personaly I don't have very high standards for the concept 'good', harmless is for me enough- or bad, you apparently can by saying 'we know the mafia is bad' or did you meant only the 'organisation' and not his members (this would be hard to imagine)?

Neria

They probably go to the beach with their guns. :p

make up artist

this out of subject-
but I was just thinking, in your personal life, do you prefere girls with or without make-up? Because with your profession, you kind of break into our world-the world that we girls master, where we are able to trick guys, you know.

it would feel strange to me ,to be with a guy, who knows more about make-up than I do. (and is heterosexual-I have few gay friends who know plenty about make-up, but that is cool with me)

Veerle

Even if you don’t understand that I was slightly disappointed in the movie because I don’t need a movie to tell me that the Mafia is a destructive force, (and that seems to be an important point the movie was making) the rest of your logic is feeble at best.
(On what word or sentence do you base your claim that all characters in the movie are Mafia members, we are all close to the Mafia, one way or the other but that doesn’t make us Mafia members.)
Your logic goes like this: you believe that I said that we don’t need a movie to remind us that a carnivore eats meat and that the killing that is often a sine qua non of eating meat is gruesome. And you believe that I said that I like some pigs. Pigs sometimes eat meat. This must mean that I like all gruesome animals. And I’m disappointed in myself for this weakness of character.
Well no.
And yes there is a distinction between the statement “we all know that the Mafia is bad” and the sentence “people working for the Mafia are bad people.”
Saying “some stupid questions are really bad” is not the same as stating that people asking stupid questions are bad people.
Today you say that harmless people are good.
A couple of days ago you stated on this site that you were good in bed.
Do you consider yourself harmless?
Do you believe that there is a connection between being good in bed and being harmless?
And what are the preconditions for harmlessness?

Andrea

In my personal life make-up is (more or less) irrelevant, if woman is woman-woman type at least.

I also think the most of women ware make-up in order to feel 'good', not to trick the guys... but of course, I could be wrong on thisone. That's just what I think. At least I'd like it more if it was that way.

And I have to admit, when talking to women, I noticed that women without make-up feel much more confident.. which I like. Sometimes it also triggers my imagination, like: what would she be like with make-up on and some nice evening dress?!

On the other hand, talking to women who ware make-up, once they find out what I do, it becomes very relaxed.. it feels like we're 'brother and sister in crime'.

make-up artist

Women wear make-up to feel good.
And in my opinion, feeling good is the only working way to trick the guy to love you.

I like the brother and sister in crime thing.

Andrea

Once you realise that 'feeling good is the only working way to trick the guy to love you, you then might understand that make-up is irrelevant.

You can also feel good after reading a good book.

m-u artist

of course I do know that, darling.

Andrea

That's good. Although you're very inconsequent addressing me, perhaps some day we'll become brother and sister in crime.

Arnon

Ok, I now think I understood your logic and i have to admit that it's more mitovated then mine, of course your corebusiness is thinking, mine waiting, wich could explain a lot.
For your questions, I like to see myself as harmless -as much as human possible- because I don't have any power or global influence (and it's my ambition to keep it that way) lika a writer or politicus or public figure so on that level it's easy for me to stay innocednt, on a more private level I can't get close enough to people to harm them, once it get's a bit painfull I usually run, I'm a bit of a coward and don't like fighting, so I move on in the hope to find better, wich at this moment hasn't been the case, but I keep searching.
Concerning the sex, unfortunality it appears never to be harmless in my experience, it's another feeble point in my being, one of the few things I'm good in makes me less harmless. Man do all kind of crazy things for sex, then they get to attached and than I feel the need to escape. This results mostly in embarassing scenes but also at this point I try being so gentle as possible by making the end very quick and by taking all responsability for the failure on me, I pretend to be the cazy guilty one, apparently that works, a not broken ego seems to be more important then easy sex.

Veerle

Please correct me if I’m wrong:
You are a woman without much ambition, perhaps your main ambition is to be good in bed, and on a regular basis you make yourself available for sex to all kinds of men.
Instead of being cheerful about your generosity these men would like to start a traditional relationship with you.
Let me reassure you: you will find plenty of men on this site who are very much interested in casual sex.
A last question: you mentioned that your “core business” is “waiting”.
What are you waiting for?
And how exactly do you earn money with waiting?
Are you sure the money you receive is for waiting?
Do you promise me to start studying logic?
The day will come that waiting won’t make you any money and then at least you have your logic.

Arnon

Your analysis is correct. but I'm not especially interested in casual sex, it seems just to be the consequence of me being unable to commitment.
I think if I knew were I'm waiting for my life would be different, I just hope the waiting is wurth it. What making money concerns, I'm a master in camouflage, at the bank where I work they haven't discovered yet that my main occupation is waiting but thanks for your concern.
I now I was a bad student but I had a class 'logica' when I studied 'law' at the university, I had 12/20 but it's clear I have forgotten the most....you can advise a novel to refresh my logic?

Second thoughts

It's certainly not my ambition to be good in bed, I just am.

Veerle

Perhaps Oscar Wilde can recommend a book to you or Vilde.
I'm not sure. Especially because you ask for a novel.
Could you tell me what being good in bed means, beyond the realm of advertisements for yourself that is.

Arnon

Just give it whenever it's needed without second thoughts, it's all about availability.

I don't like non-fiction books.

veerle

availability? Than definition of being wise is to talk a lot, if I get your theory.

Veerle

Being good in bed is being available.
We all should remember this from time in time.
You said you work for a bank, what bank? Are you respected by your co-workers?

Veerle

"Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett.

arnon

That goes for all or woman only?
I guess most of men I know are rather available, but I doubt it makes them good lovers.

Arnon

Fortis, and yes, because as I already said, I'm a master in camouflage, I can act pretty well if it concerns faking life.

Oscar

Thank you, I'll try, with it also help for my logic?

Veerle

"Waiting for Godot" is a play -- not a novel. Just so you know. But it's fiction.

Andrea

I'm extremely unavailabe.

Andrea

Sex is not the same as than talking or cooking or being wise and I think the definition goes only for women, for me man have to perform.

Arnon & Oscar

I neither like plays... certainly not reading them, I only appreciated 'De Canadese muur' van Lanoye & Brusselmans but then I was in my Brusselmans-phase so that could explain.

arnon

are you suggesting you are lousy lover?

Veerle

For logic, I recommend "Karlsson on the roof" by Astrid Lindgren.

Andrea

It all depends on your fantasy baby.

arnon

wow then.