Your mother would be proud.

More and more often I think this kind of marriage is actually not a bad idea at all. I know a number of people who went this route, and they're all still married, claiming to be happily married quite convincingly. Too late now, but if the option were still open to me I would seriously consider getting married before having sex.

I do

My boyfriend and I decided to get married. We were in Brazil and in one of the ugliest cities the country has to offer, so we thought we'd brighten up the stage a little. We changed our minds soon after we returned to Holland. The mould of 'how to marry' is so forceful that it is almost impossible to marry 'your own way', and when doing it 'your own way' you're only doing it to be different which can't be a valid reason for marriage.
One day, after having visited locations I was to take options on, I carefully said "I'm not too sure about this marriage thing." My boyfriend said he was wondering the same. Ever since we canceled (we had already asked our witnesses, that's how far we had come), our relationship has never been better.
The money we saved by not marrying has now gone to a much better cause.

@Eva, Whatever you fancy. That's just not the reality what i'm looking for. Have you asked about their sexlives? Mine is great living in shame.

Mr. Arnon

Maybe you won't be able to answer this, or maybe you will resent it, but I'm going to ask anyway. Do chassidic (or other strong religious) jews have sex with a sheet between them?

Dens

There is a hole in the sheet.

Excuse me,

but someone here once mentioned that there is a special term for the moment in discussions where one of the interlocutors brings in the Jewish Holocaoust to exemplify an argument. I'd appreciate it if he or she will remind me of that word again.

Neria

I think you are refering to "Godwin's Law". I especially like "Dodds Corollary": The person who brings up the holocaust automatically loses the argument.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

Arnon

If you want me to replace you, I am more then willing to do so. I would love to attend a Jewish wedding once.

Michel

Thank you very very much! :)

Dens

There is a hotel in Knokke where they accomodate the guests with those kind of sheets. The sheets are nicely embroided around the hole ,to strengthen them , my guess.
Bur don't you agree that these sheets appeal to the imagination. I would like to try them out once. Maybe I will be convinced too, to only have sex this way.
In Brussels there is a place for homosexuals where they have a wall with holes in it. This for the kind of encounters where you get to greet the most intimate part of someone, without having to be forced into trivial conversations first.

Eva

21/11/2008 12:19X
Arnon GrunbergEva
If you pretend to be a virgin I'm willing to pretend to be interested in marriage. I'm really sorry you haven't run into Mr. Right till now. I have been Mr. Right for so many people I can be your Mr. Right as well. How about Wednesday from 5 pm till 6:30 PM. On a weekly basis to start with?

Abstinence is the North Korea of human sexuality. Those in it by chance just try to get through each day without thinking too much about it. Those in it by choice are mendacious self-deceivers. And everybody on the outside just feels sad and overwhelmed by the whole sorry scene and the baroque human suffering within.

I think I could without sex and without deceiving myself. I'm just not that sexual. I'm not made for procreation.

Eva

Are you suggesting that the goal of marriage is to sound convincingly?

21/11/2008 12.19X ??

Arnon, are you trying to send me a secret message?

It is decent to pay (in one way or another) before having sex.
And the periods of non sex are always longer than the periods of sex.

Mieke

Is Eva your sister?

Dens

I think it's a myth, but let's ask a Hasidic Jew. (By the way my sister is not Hasidic.)

Where can we find one? I 've only had one meeting with a hasidic jew and that was when they had Sabbat and their electrical fuse had gone out. I had to turn off their airconditioning and put the fuse back on and after this the airco.

I was just walking the Antwerp streets (hoping for some contact, of course, and then this happened). I guess it is easier to ask someone to do something satanic than to ask someone about sex.

Mr. Arnon

Too bad she isn't. Does she at least wear a wig?

Dens

A hat. I'm not sure if my sister is your type.

Dens

I don't know why Arnon doesn't belief me , but I heard this story about the sheets from a lady who used to work in that hotel.

Mieke

I will still look for a Hasidic (pardon my writing earlier), build up a relationship and ask the appropriate question. Maybe I have to start a website: www.befriendahasidic.com and invite strong religious jews and others to join in a conversation. Maybe this is where my path lies.

Oscar

No

Arnon

That is a bit of an insulting proposal, don't you think?!

Eva

An insulting proposal is better than no proposal.

Arnon

I disagree.