On propaganda – Ofer Aderet in Haaretz:

‘In the decades since then, Zimmermann became a pioneer and shaper of the study of Germany in Israel. Today an emeritus professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and former director of its Richard Koebner Minerva Center for German History, he has written and edited dozens of books and articles on Germany's Jews and their complicated and tragic relationship with their homeland, and has proved that history can also be gleaned from sports and the cinema. In contrast to some of his colleagues in academia, however, Zimmermann also goes out of his way to maintain his image as a public intellectual, one who is not afraid to sound his voice trenchantly and acutely about current events, drawing on his insights as a historian. At the height of his career he found himself in courtrooms on several occasions, fending off lawsuits that were filed against him for statements he had made.
"A historian is supposed to stimulate thought," he observed this month at a conference held in his honor at the Leo Baeck Institute in Jerusalem. "A historian who insists on being neutral, a person of footnotes, and does not provoke, is doing a disservice to the profession."’ (…)

‘Many people are likening October 7 to the Holocaust. They call Hamas "Nazis" and view the pogrom that was perpetrated in communities of the south as a modern parallel to the pogroms they perpetrated.
"What happened on October 7 is very similar to the pogroms that were carried out against Jews not only during World War II, and not only by German Nazis, but also by 'good' Lithuanians, Poles and Ukrainians. As a historian, the important thing is not for me to say 'A pogrom happened here,' but to infer from that the implications for the Zionist movement. The moment a pogrom against Jews takes place in the Jewish state, the Zionist state, both the state and Zionism are testifying to their own failure. Because the idea underlying the establishment of a Zionist state was to prevent a situation like that in which Jews in the Diaspora find themselves.
"Here is what we need to think about: How did it come about that Zionism disappointed and that the Zionist state – or its prophets, from Herzl onward – is incapable of meeting the goals it set for itself? The event of October 7, a pogrom on the soil of Israel, in the State of Israel, is a turning point in our assessment of the success of Zionism, and a turning point in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.’

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‘"Two states, alongside each other, within a new, modern, framework. When I look at Europe, I find the light at the end of the tunnel, no matter the current plight of the European Union. It's a situation in which countries were willing to give up part of their sovereignty for the benefit of a superstructure, without giving up the old state.
"Two systems, one next to the other, in order to obviate a situation of the sort we were familiar with until World War II," Zimmermann adds. "We need to evoke the picture of Europe when we think about the Middle East, despite the great challenge of Ukraine. Some people will burst out laughing at that: 'Come off it, we're not Switzerland.' But we need to remember that the Europeans were caught up in harsh confrontations and in enmities that were thought to be eternal, yet they nevertheless succeeded in creating a European union. If it's possible there, it's also possible here. I am not being delusional."’

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‘The story of 'Greater Israel' and the settlements is the story of a society that is becoming a hostage to biblical romanticism that is sweeping the whole society to perdition. And that is the problem: Once you have embarked on the path, it's difficult to leave it without undergoing another catastrophe. That happened to Germany in 1945 in the most drastic way. We obviously do not want a catastrophe like that."’

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‘Zimmermann resumed his studies after his army service; one of his teachers was the renowned historian Jacob Talmon. He wrote his doctoral dissertation in Jerusalem and Hamburg in the 1970s, on the subject of the connection between German nationhood and Jewish emancipation. "It was clear to me that German nationhood was very important for Germany's Jews, because it was the pre-national reality of separate German entities that blocked their way to equality of rights. But that connection was unstable. The Jews became national-oriented Germans, and the German nationalists said, 'We don't want them,' and invented the new antisemitism. Before, they hated the Jews because they were different; now they hated them because they were trying to be similar.’

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‘"Talk of the 'Oslo criminals' recalls the 'November criminals' of November 1918 – the month in which the Germans signed the armistice agreement. At that time, the German right wing branded those people, who we know in hindsight did the right thing, as criminals. And the Israeli right is branding the people who paved the way to Oslo as criminals. I am not one of those who 'sobered up.' The great prospect for which we strove was Oslo. The two sides, one alongside the other, with mutual acceptance.
"I am not naïve. I know that among the Palestinian population there was a large enough force that was in favor of Greater Palestine, just as on the Israeli side there are the advocates of Greater Israel. The crime is the collaboration between the extremists on this side and the other. Accordingly, there is no place for 'disillusionment' about Oslo. The disappearing Israeli left is attesting to the fact that it has lost its confidence when it uses the same linguistic coinages as the right."’

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‘"The difference is that the Germans understand well what the Third Reich was and they have a defensive shield in the form of a constitution. But the case of Germany can't be isolated from the European situation. So we need to be concerned about what is happening in Germany. I also find it very worrisome that ties exist between the populist right there and the settler right in Israel. A kind of fraternal alliance based on enmity for Muslims."’

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‘To conclude, Zimmermann wishes to return to his favorite arena: comparing between then and now. "When I look at the Israeli propaganda system – 'Together we will win' – it's hard for me not to remember the spirit of steadfastness in a war I am familiar with from German history. You're in a tough situation, and you know that you somehow have to cultivate this spirit of 'We will hang in there.' That's the type of thing that generates misery. The comparison is of course not one to one, but in Germany in 1944 slogans appeared such as, 'Our walls are broken but our hearts are firm.' Today you see, 'Together we will win' in every corner of the country. It's an attempt to generate unconditional support, which prevents a discussion about the goals of the war and the logic of the war.’

Read the article here.

I’m not too fond of Nazi-metaphors, for many reasons but also because Nazism is seen as pure evil, for good reasons, and if you are compared to pure evil what else can be done than annihilation? But Zimmerman makes two important points.

October 7 was one of the many signs that Zionism failed in its most important task to protect the Jews against pogroms and other sorts of organized violence.
The question whether October 7 was a pogrom or not is just a smoke screen, because unlike Jews in a shtetl in Eastern-Europe Israel has an army, well the army was nowhere to be seen on October 7.
See here.

The extremists of Greater Israel and greater Palestine, fueled by political messianism, are enforcing each other, they need each other.

There’s a slim chance that October 7 is the catastrophe that will sober the people up, but I’m afraid that this not the 1945-moment for Israel and Palestine. The moment that first and foremost Germany realized that it doesn’t make sense to send thousands of young men to die for a few square kilometers in the Alsace.
But in 1945 the ideology in Germany was unmasked, the combination of religious and political Messianism is still very much alive in Israel, and also elsewhere in the region.

And the ‘kakistocracy – a term meaning “government by the worst citizens” – be it Nero, Czar Nicholas II or Donald Trump is on the rise everywhere. Perhaps the kakistocracy there, because of the permanent or almost permanent war, is just more visible there.